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Viceroyalty of Southern Japan by mdc01957 Viceroyalty of Southern Japan by mdc01957
Here's a quick map based on one of my earliest alternate history ideas. The premise in this case being that:

a) Spain actually gave more effort into its distant colonies (i.e. the Philippines/Las Islas Filipinas) fairly early on, and

b) Legaspi and his conquistadores not only survived tropical diseases, but also decided to set their sights north of Manila, towards the Land of the Rising Sun.

Fast forward a couple centuries to 1850, and the Viceroyalty is a showcase of Spanish and Catholic power and influence in the Far East...if you're a Peninsulares, Insulares, Mestizo or Fraile, in any case. To say that the Japanese in and out of the colony are discontent is more than just an understatement.

In case you're wondering, 大日本帝国 means "Empire of Japan," the Emperor and Shogun having settled towards a (fragile) power-sharing deal in Edo.
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:iconjordytheredfox:
Jordytheredfox Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I love it :D
I dream with this... sadly isn't true :/
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redfox5367 Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I wonder what Japónas people would look like.
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:iconramones1986:
ramones1986 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Japoniño?
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
It's an alternate term.
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:iconramones1986:
ramones1986 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I mean the language itself?
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014
It's a term the Alternate Spaniards gave to the hybrid Hispano-Japanese language that emerged there.
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:iconramones1986:
ramones1986 Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, I see.
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:iconnomadicsky:
NomadicSky Featured By Owner May 14, 2014
Wow... if that had happened Japan would probably be united today...but very different, I'm probably resentful of the Spanish.
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner May 15, 2014
No doubt indeed.
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:iconcjr413:
cjr413 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I really love this map, probably one of my favorite ones I've seen. I made a similar concept to this, if you want to see it.
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2013
I'm interested in seeing it! :)
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:iconlongxiaolong:
LongXiaolong Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
大日本帝国!万岁!I like that!!
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2011
Heh. Thanks! :D

Though it's a little Google Translator-ish. ^^;
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Fedelede Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2011
Gosh, this is awesome.... And Honcio is probably the best Hispanicization of Honshu that I've seen :D
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2011
Heh. Thanks! :XD:
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Muzik-Maniac Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2011
Oh god, anyone but the spanish!! I have a great disdain for former spanish colonialism.... lol

If this was ever accomplished, i can't imagine how bloody the colonial conquest must have been due to kyoto.

Now, i can imagine sense Taiwan lays in between both Luzon, and the Ryukyu islands, It's conquest by spain probably wouldn't be too far off in the future either?

It would also be interesting to see how Spanish would influence the language development in the south, like in Katakana, it would be interesting to see (if the south was ever reconquered) maybe a lot more Spanish lone words than English like for 歌 (Uta=song) a Katakana substitute more along the lines of カンシオン (Kanshion=Canción) used more often instead of ソング (Songu=song).

All in all, very well done! I really like it, great job! :D
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2011
Thanks. Though knowing from the Filipino experience of Spanish colonialism, they would probably try to pull the whole heavy-duty Fraile-Catholic Missionary move, at least early in their rule. So probably, they would try to shape Japanese such that notions of kami are systematically replaced with Dios or <Espiritu Santo</i>.
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Muzik-Maniac Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2011
No problem.

Really? That would be interesting, a Catholic South, and Shinto North.

So the Spanish took a different approach when colonizing the Philippines? Sorry, I've just never read up on the Spanish colonization elsewhere besides the Americas.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2011
Well, it's an interesting story, that.

Basically, the Philippines was (until the Mexican Revolution) considered a frontier colony administered from New Spain, from which point on they actually took it seriously. But for much of that 300-ish years of colonial rule, let's just say that the Catholic Church via the Friars had a lot of power. Think nigh theocratic/frailocratic control/influence.
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Muzik-Maniac Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Oh dang... lol

Now what do you mean "Until the Mexican Revolution?" How did the Mexican Revolution have an affect on the Philippines?
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Aug 2, 2011
Simply put, it forced the Spanish to directly assume control over the islands, which helped in improving situations. But by that point, it's more of a frankly half-assed "too little, too late." Hence the Philippine Revolution.
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Enricfan Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2011
I love the quality of and the idea behind this map :)

But the Spanish bothers me a little bit - japonés is masculine, so it should be japonés romanizado, and then Valencia and Mallorca (not Majorca) are feminine and so should be Nueva Valencia and Nueva Mallorca.

Also Puerto Compostela sounds a bit weird - Puerto de Santiago de Compostela would look better, and then you could imagine it being shortened to just Compostela.

And do you really need to call it the Viceroyalty of southern Japan? I think they would just say Viceroy
alty of Japan - they wouldn't be very bothered about what the other Japanese thought... Or even something like el Virreinato de las Nuevas Baleares, like Mexico (Nueva España) or Columbia (Nueva Granada) were :)
Just so musings :)
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2011
For the last part, it's more of the Spanish partly snuffing it in the free Japanese' faces. ;)

But aside from that, I'm not much of a native Spanish speaker. But thanks for the comment. :D
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Enricfan Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011
No problem - and I do like 'Japoniño' - that sounds good :)
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ZGMF-X42S Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
A divided Japan, I had a similar idea of my own, do you wish to hear it? XD X3
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
Please do. :D
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ZGMF-X42S Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
Well the idea is that the military coup of Japan in the 1920's isn't 100% successful and only the northern part is claimed, while the South remains free. I only have a rough outline and I'm trying to determine the impact this would have on the rest of the world. Do you have any ideas as to how it would turn out?
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
Basically, you would have different national and global interests playing a role in Japan's destiny. If the Russians and Americans don't decide to split it up, then you could have the British or Chinese establishing "protectorates."
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ZGMF-X42S Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
It's an interesting idea, but I was thinking that North Japan would join the Axis and South Japan would side with the Allies in order to reunify the divided country. Another possibility is that South Japan would beg the Allies for help and while America would remain officially neutral, weapons, hardware and volunteers in the form of the majority of the Japanese-American population would flock to the South in order to help. Is that possible? I wish to make an alternate timeline that is possible.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
I would make sense if it took place after WW2. In that case, it would be a similar case to Korea: a DMZ, American-garrisoned South and a Soviet North.
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ZGMF-X42S Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
So a pre-WWII scenario is all but impossible, then?
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
Likely between the British and Soviet Union, if the Japanese government implodes at some point.
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Thejboy88 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Very nice.

But what about the Portuguese? As I understand they were the first Europeans to make contact with Japan. Do they have a place in this alternate history of yours?
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
At the time, I hadn't though much on it. Though it's more likely that they have their own share in monopolizing trade, if not religious missionaries, from their base in Macao.
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zalezsky Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
awesome
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Thanks again.

What do you think of it?
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:iconzalezsky:
zalezsky Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
its a fantastic idea
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Not so much for the Japs under Spain, though.
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zalezsky Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
lol yeahh
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Imuildaeren Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
I always wondered about a colonized Japan, even though it kinda makes me a tiny bit angry to see it colonized XD.
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:iconmdc01957:
mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Weirder things have happened. XD
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:iconimuildaeren:
Imuildaeren Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
yes
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Hillfighter Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Considering that the Spanish barely maintained 300 soldiers in Manila around the 1600s, I think they would have a hard enough time occupying Okinawa.

As for a Catholic Japan, the Jesuits were working very hard to blend the native culture with Christianity and build trust with the elite when the Franciscans and Dominicans came, preached to the poor, possibly helped start a rebellion, and got everyone kicked out of Japan for the next 200 years [link] .
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
So I've read. Though in this version of Spanish Japan, Japanese Christians are more inclined to follow that version of Christianity than official Catholicism.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Cool idea, and great execution. The map looks fantastic.

I've had similar ideas in the past, though in my case, it was the Dutch who took control rather than the Spaniards.

Incidentally, I once played a game of EU2 where I, as Courland, invaded Japan and turned it into a satellite nation to serve as a naval base for further colonization attempts in the area. Good times.
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2011
Thanks.

Though in my opinion, the Dutch were in as good a position as the Spanish in getting at least a larger chunk of land than that island off Nagasaki.

Also, Courlandish Japan? Isn't Courland Latvia with Germanized names?
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
The Duchy of Courland and Semigallia has a similar history to Prussia. In other words; it was a Baltic German duchy.

Gotthard Kettler, then the grandmaster of the Livonian Order, secularised it first as a Lithuanian and then a Polish-Lithuanian duchy following the Livonian Wars. One of his descendants, Jacob Kettler, was heavily involved in trade, commerce and colonisation, and despite their small size, they had colonies in both America and Africa for a while. He supposedly also had plans of colonizing Australia before anyone else had thought about it yet, but those plans didn't go anywhere.

The version of Courland I played in EU2 also managed to get Prussia through events, and later conquered Livonia, Estonia, Ingria, Pommerania, Danzig, Küstrin and Masovia as well.

Courland has been somewhat of an obsession for me for a while now, you see. I've tracked down and bookmarked pretty much every Internet source on Courland there is. n.n'
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
The little country that could have been, if you ask me. From what I know of it, by the time 1900 came around, there really wasn't much of a Courland to speak of.
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Rarayn Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
Can't really call it a country that could have been when it existed for over 200 years. The reason it doesn't exist at all anymore is because the last duke sold it to Russia so he could live at his palace in Germany. :XD:
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mdc01957 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2011
Really now.

Of course, these days, there's hardly any trace of Courland's legacy in Latvia or Estonia. Maybe Stalin had something to do with it...
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